Legislature(2011 - 2012)CAPITOL 106

03/26/2012 08:00 AM House EDUCATION


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08:03:19 AM Start
08:03:42 AM Presentation: Teacher of the Year
08:31:15 AM SB199
08:59:21 AM SB170
09:51:11 AM Adjourn
* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+ Teacher of the Year - Cara Heitz, Cordova TELECONFERENCED
+ SB 199 VOCATIONAL EDUCATION FUNDING FACTOR TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
+ SB 170 VOCATIONAL ED. COUNSELING IN SCHOOLS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
           SB 199-VOCATIONAL EDUCATION FUNDING FACTOR                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Contains discussion of SB 170 and SB 84]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:31:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that  the next order  of business  would be                                                               
SENATE  BILL NO.  199  "An  Act relating  to  the vocational  and                                                               
technical instruction funding factor for public school funding."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:31:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOE  THOMAS, Alaska State  Legislature, presented  SB 199                                                               
on behalf  of Senator  Kevin Meyer, sponsor.   He  explained that                                                               
Senator Meyer could not be present,  and he indicated that he had                                                               
been chosen to  present SB 199, because  the proposed legislation                                                               
is based on [SB 84], a bill Senator Thomas introduced last year.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS  paraphrased some  of  the  information from  the                                                               
sponsor's statement [included in the  committee packet].  He said                                                               
research   shows   that    vocational-technical   programs   have                                                               
consistently  increased   graduation  rates  nationwide   and  in                                                               
Alaska's  schools.   He  said the  ideal  high school  curriculum                                                               
needs to incorporate both academic  rigor and cutting-edge career                                                               
preparation.   Senator Thomas reviewed  that SB 84,  which passed                                                               
unanimously  out  of the  House  and  the Senate,  established  a                                                               
separate  funding system  for vocational  education.   He relayed                                                               
that when SB  84 was introduced, "the committee"  thought it best                                                               
to  limit the  money to  high schools  in order  to get  the best                                                               
return on the  investment.  However, since  then school districts                                                               
have  requested the  legislature change  that provision  to allow                                                               
the allotted  money to be used  for students in jr.  high school.                                                               
as  well.   Senator  Meyer has  introduced SB  199  to that  end.                                                               
Senator  Thomas reported  that the  implementation of  SB 84  has                                                               
been a  resounding success  in schools across  the state,  and he                                                               
urged the  committee to  support SB  199.  He  noted that  he and                                                               
Senator Meyer's aide were available to answer questions.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
8:33:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON inquired why  the committee packet does not                                                               
contain feedback from  the school districts, and  asked if anyone                                                               
from the school districts was available to testify.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:34:04 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS  said  he  did  not know  who  was  available  to                                                               
testify, but  reiterated that it  was in response to  the request                                                               
of the school districts that SB 199 was introduced.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:34:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI observed  that  the fiscal  note has  no                                                               
further funding requested.  He  asked Senator Thomas if he thinks                                                               
the ability  to use money for  jr. high schools will  result in a                                                               
lack of money in high schools.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:35:18 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS related  that the school districts  have said they                                                               
think there will  be sufficient money to spread  between jr. high                                                               
schools and high schools.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:36:32 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CAROL   COMEAU,   Superintendent,  Anchorage   School   District,                                                               
Testified  in support  of SB  199, and  said the  district stands                                                               
strongly behind the effort to be able to move the funding.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:37:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PEGGY   COWAN,  Superintendent,   North   Slope  Borough   School                                                               
District, stated that the [North  Slope Borough] School Board has                                                               
not taken an official stance on  SB 199.  However, she said early                                                               
childhood education  and an early  start to career  and technical                                                               
education  is  important;  therefore,  it makes  sense  to  allow                                                               
funding for vocational education in middle school.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
8:38:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  JOHNSON,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Council  of  School                                                               
Administrators  (ACSA),   stated  that  the  council   has  seven                                                               
position  statements,  one  of   which  pertains  to  career  and                                                               
technical education.   He said he  can endorse the concept  of SB
199 to  "move this money  down to the  middle school level."   He                                                               
said the proposed change is  important for many districts, and he                                                               
expressed hope that the legislature will support it.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
8:40:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE   ARMSTRONG,    President,   Associated    Builders   and                                                               
Contractors,  Inc.  -  Alaska Chapter  (ABC  -  Alaska  Chapter),                                                               
stated support for  SB 199 and SB 170.   She said the association                                                               
has identified  key issues in  the construction industry,  two of                                                               
which  are the  high demand  for skilled  workers and  attrition.                                                               
She said ABC  - Alaska Chapter members  see SB 199 and  SB 170 as                                                               
possible means by which to  start engaging Alaska youth about the                                                               
opportunities that  exist in the  construction industry,  as well                                                               
as in other technical and vocational  career paths.  She said ABC                                                               
- Alaska  Chapter's registered apprentice program  was started in                                                               
2001,  and since  then over  200 apprentices  have completed  the                                                               
program.  The association participates  in job fairs in an effort                                                               
to  educate  young  Alaskans  about   the  opportunities  in  the                                                               
industry.  She said  ABC - Alaska Chapter sees SB  170 and SB 199                                                               
as complements to the efforts  already undertaken by the industry                                                               
to recruit and train a qualified workforce.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:43:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RICK RIOS,  Acting Director, Career &  Technical Education (CTE),                                                               
Anchorage School District (ASD), stated  support of SB 199 and SB
170.   He  said he  has 44  years of  experience as  a vocational                                                               
teacher  and administrator,  a business  owner,  and a  community                                                               
leader,  and  he  supports  all  legislative  actions  that  help                                                               
prepare  people  for  "life-long career  contributions  to  their                                                               
respective communities."   Mr. Rios opined that  without a career                                                               
choice, people  wander from  job to  job -  low paying  jobs that                                                               
require  limited skills  and [offer]  no security,  whereas those                                                               
who concentrate on a single  career area are greater contributors                                                               
to  employer  and  community,  have  increased  desire  for  more                                                               
education and  training, and  earn higher wages.   He  said young                                                               
people  need this  information, and  proffered that  the proposed                                                               
legislation  would  provide  it.     He  said  education  without                                                               
relevant  career information  and  without  career and  technical                                                               
training is  driving students to  drop out of school  even before                                                               
they reach high school.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
8:44:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RIOS said  the 2010 Alaska Career &  Technical Education Plan                                                               
begins  with  a  call  for  every student  to  have  a  "personal                                                               
learning and career plan" (PLCP),  as does the new 2012 Anchorage                                                               
School District CTE  plan soon available for public  comment.  He                                                               
put forth  that some people  think children in middle  school are                                                               
too young  to know what  they want to  be.   He said that  may be                                                               
true for many,  but it is because of ignorance,  not because they                                                               
don't care.   He explained that students have  been denied career                                                               
information and,  thus, do not know  about work and careers.   He                                                               
said  the  Anchorage  School District  has  found  that  students                                                               
thrive  in their  education when  given career  information.   He                                                               
relayed  that enrollment  in the  district's Construction  Trades                                                               
Academy and  Health Career Academy  has increased by  five times,                                                               
due largely  to the  partnerships with  industry leaders  who get                                                               
involved.     He  said,   "It  started   with  you,   the  Alaska                                                               
Legislature."   He urged the committee  to pass both [SB  199 and                                                               
SB 170]  and, whenever  possible, to  provide funding  to "ensure                                                               
that  every  citizen  of  Alaska   gets  career  information  and                                                               
guidance - starting in middle school."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
8:46:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  Mr. Rios  for his  response to  the                                                               
idea  that career  planning  is beneficial  even  if the  student                                                               
changes his/her career path.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RIOS answered  that the  paradigm has  changed significantly                                                               
since the  mid-'70s, when people  were trained  in a skill  for a                                                               
particular job.   Now, he emphasized, career  pathways are broad,                                                               
which allows for flexibility and  a multitude of changes within a                                                               
specific job.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:48:27 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  asked if  the Anchorage  School District                                                               
provides any [career-related] direction in the K-6 classrooms.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RIOS  answered that  most of  his attention  has been  in the                                                               
secondary schools.  He said younger  children have yet to see the                                                               
broad scope  of jobs within each  field.  He stated,  "That's why                                                               
we need to start  - at the middle school for  sure, and even more                                                               
so at  the elementary level -  ... showing that careers  in these                                                               
specific areas are big and broad and available to all students."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:50:36 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MIKE  ANDREWS, Alaska  Works Partnership,  stated support  for SB
199 and SB  170, and said that emphasis for  career path guidance                                                               
is   important  and   connects   eventually  with   postsecondary                                                               
coaching.  Helping to get more  of this attention into the middle                                                               
school will prove important, he concluded.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
8:52:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN   MACKINNON,   Executive    Director,   Associated   General                                                               
Contractors (AGC),  stated support  for SB  199 and  SB 170.   He                                                               
relayed   that   AGC   is  a   construction   trade   association                                                               
representing 650  business members  throughout the state,  and is                                                               
one of the founding partners  and current overseers of the Alaska                                                               
Construction  Academy.    He indicated  that  employment  in  the                                                               
trades is  now considered a  profession with stature on  par with                                                               
most  other professions.   He  opined that  vocational counseling                                                               
should  be  part  of  education  and  counseling  in  all  public                                                               
schools, and he reiterated his support for SB 199 and SB 170.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
8:54:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DIANE  MAPLES testified  on behalf  of herself  in support  of SB
199.   She commended  the legislature  for its  support of  SB 84                                                               
last  year.   She opined  that  early guidance  and support  help                                                               
students to make solid decisions  and discover opportunities that                                                               
will help them as they enter the workforce.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:56:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK,  after ascertaining  that there was  no one  else who                                                               
wished to testify, closed public testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
8:56:19 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PRUITT  moved to  report SB  199 out  of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
note.  There  being no objection, SB 199 was  reported out of the                                                               
House Education Standing Committee.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
          SB 170-VOCATIONAL ED. COUNSELING IN SCHOOLS                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
[Contains discussion of SB 199 and SB 84]                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
8:59:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
SENATE  BILL  NO. 170,  "An  Act  requiring vocational  education                                                               
counseling in public schools."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
8:59:51 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOE  THOMAS, Alaska State  Legislature, presented  SB 170                                                               
as sponsor.   He noted  that many  people had given  testimony on                                                               
both SB  170 and SB 199  simultaneously during the hearing  on SB
199, since  the two  bills are closely  aligned.   He paraphrased                                                               
the  sponsor statement  [included  in the  committee packet]  and                                                               
offered further details pertaining to it.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS stated  that one of the major  functions of public                                                               
education is  to prepare the  workforce of  the future.   He said                                                               
most schools  are doing  a good  job of that  by offering  a wide                                                               
variety of  programs to help  children investigate what  kinds of                                                               
jobs they want  to do when they  graduate.  He opined  that it is                                                               
crucial to  make important  use of  the money  re-established for                                                               
vocational education  in SB  84, [which  passed both  bodies last                                                               
year], and  ensure that students  receive the benefit  of maximum                                                               
vocational funding.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS  said SB 170  would ensure that young  people have                                                               
the  knowledge  necessary to  make  career  choices, by  offering                                                               
career  counseling in  the seventh,  ninth, and  eleventh grades.                                                               
It would  provide guidance  and resources  to districts  that are                                                               
not  already  offering   a  comprehensive  vocational  counseling                                                               
program.  He  said often students do not  have accurate knowledge                                                               
or information  about careers;  they may have  a career  in mind,                                                               
but are  often unaware of what  it takes to be  affective in that                                                               
career.  He said the sooner  students know what a career entails,                                                               
the better off their vocational  success will be.  Senator Thomas                                                               
explained  that seventh  grade  is when  students  begin to  make                                                               
critical choices; ninth grade is  when they start high school and                                                               
may  need help  in  choosing what  courses  are necessary  toward                                                               
achieving  a career;  and  eleventh grade  is  when students  are                                                               
thinking  about graduation  and  completing course  work for  the                                                               
occupation they have decided to pursue.   He said "we" don't want                                                               
students to  miss out on  taking the courses necessary  for their                                                               
success in life.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS   said  the  Department  of   Education  &  Early                                                               
Development has indicated in its  fiscal note that it already has                                                               
the resources needed  to "carry this out."  He  opined that it is                                                               
vital that [the  state] give its children the  tools necessary to                                                               
prepare  for the  future  and become  productive  members of  the                                                               
workforce.  He urged the committee to support SB 170.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:03:06 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KAWASAKI  noted  that  under  SB  170,  districts                                                               
unable  to  afford  vocational  education  and  counseling  shall                                                               
request that the department provide  the necessary resources.  He                                                               
asked the bill  sponsor how that correlates with  the zero fiscal                                                               
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS answered  that the schools have  programs in place                                                               
which can easily be expanded at  no additional cost.  He deferred                                                               
to his staff for further comment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MURRAY  RICHMAN,   Staff,  Senator   Joe  Thomas,   Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature, echoed  the statements  of Senator  Thomas, sponsor,                                                               
and said the legislation will allow for the expansion.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI  ventured that an on-line  system may not                                                               
replace a one-on-one guidance counselor.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:05:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS  indicated that  the  concept  would be  to  have                                                               
someone  available  at  the  school who  would  use  the  on-line                                                               
program  as a  tool  in discussing  programs  with students;  the                                                               
student  would  not  necessarily  have to  understand  a  program                                                               
without instruction.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHMAN said the program is a comprehensive one.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:06:02 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON referred to  the last paragraph  of the                                                               
fiscal note, which read as follows:                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     In order to ensure this  free resource meets the intent                                                                    
     of this  bill, a review  of this available  resource by                                                                    
     counselors/teachers/advisors   would  be   recommended.                                                                    
     This review could  include recommendations for specific                                                                    
     staff  training and  identify  how  students are  given                                                                    
     sufficient  time and  guidance  to  learn its  content.                                                                    
     This  review   falls  under  the  scope   of  allowable                                                                    
     expenses   under  the   current   federal  Career   and                                                                    
     Technical Education funding.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P.  WILSON asked  if there  would be  funding from                                                               
the federal  government that could  be garnered and passed  on to                                                               
the department  to ensure that  the teachers would  be adequately                                                               
trained.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:07:12 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR THOMAS deferred to his staff and to the department.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:07:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RICHMAN said the department  has indicated that all resources                                                               
are in place to support the passage of this legislation.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:07:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE P. WILSON asked to hear from the department.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:08:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  offered  his understanding  that  SB  199                                                               
addressed  secondary  education,  which  encompasses  grades  six                                                               
through twelve.   He noted that SB 170  specifies that counseling                                                               
would be  started in seventh  grade.  He asked  about "readiness"                                                               
in  sixth grade  and waiting  to begin  counseling until  seventh                                                               
grade.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:08:43 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  THOMAS  responded  that  both  bills  intend  to  affect                                                               
seventh  through  twelfth grade.    In  response to  a  follow-up                                                               
question, he  offered his understanding  that the bill  would not                                                               
preclude  the funds  being  used  for sixth  graders  who are  in                                                               
middle school.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:10:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHMAN said  there is  a provision  in the  bill that  if a                                                               
school is  already offering a comprehensive  vocational education                                                               
program, "this does not supersede that."   He added, "If a school                                                               
would be  offering that  in sixth  grade, in  a middle  school, I                                                               
think that  would be  in the  spirit of  the bill,  in compliance                                                               
with the statute."                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  commented  that if  [sixth  graders]  are                                                               
"part of the  group," then the opportunities  should be available                                                               
to them, as well.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHMAN explained  that  current  statute defines  secondary                                                               
school as being seventh through twelfth grade.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  PRUITT  suggested  that  might  be  something  to                                                               
consider.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:11:07 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  indicated  concern for  the  years  being                                                               
addressed  in the  bill,  and asked  to  have specification,  and                                                               
testimony, to  address the years  being stipulated.  He  asked if                                                               
districts might  be restricted  depending on  the years  that are                                                               
being set in statute.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:12:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RICHMAN  said the  bill  establishes  minimum standards  for                                                               
vocational education,  without creating  any undue burden  on the                                                               
department  or  districts.   He  explained  the dynamics  of  the                                                               
grades and how these years  were identified as the crucial years.                                                               
He said additional attention could  be brought to bear, but there                                                               
may be a cost involved.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  recalled   KeyTrain  and  WorkKeys  being                                                               
introduced  at different  grades,  and asked  to have  testifiers                                                               
specifically address  the years  being proposed  in the  bill and                                                               
how they coordinate with what exists.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:15:45 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PEGGY   COWAN,  Superintendent,   North   Slope  Borough   School                                                               
District, stated support  for SB 170, which  she characterized as                                                               
"a   reminder  to   include  regular   career  counseling   in  a                                                               
comprehensive  counseling program."   She  said the  district has                                                               
individual learning plans for all  students, and career goals are                                                               
a part of those at the  secondary level.  She reported that seven                                                               
of the  district's schools  have full-time  counselors, primarily                                                               
funded through National Petroleum  Reserve-backed grants.  Two of                                                               
the district's  schools have part-time  counselors, and  two have                                                               
none.    She expressed  appreciation  for  the provision  in  the                                                               
proposed bill  that would provide  technical assistance  from the                                                               
Department  of Education  & Early  Development  to those  schools                                                               
without school counselors.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWAN, regarding the previous  questions related to secondary                                                               
school,  said in  her  district the  middle  school students  are                                                               
sometimes grouped  with high  school students,  sometimes grouped                                                               
with  elementary  students,  and  are  sometimes  on  their  own,                                                               
depending on how many students are in each grade.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
9:18:03 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWAN, in response to  Representative Pruitt, said individual                                                               
learning plans  begin early, and counseling  is offered depending                                                               
on the  cohort that a student  is in.  For  example, she ventured                                                               
that if an  eighth-grade student is at a school  with grades nine                                                               
through   twelve,  then   he/she  would   "get  the   ninth-grade                                                               
counseling at that time."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COWAN, in  response to  Representative Kawasaki,  reiterated                                                               
that  there  are individual  learning  plans  with career  goals,                                                               
which   are  administered   by   teachers   in  schools   without                                                               
counselors.  She  said students in schools  without counselors do                                                               
not get  the same  benefit as those  in schools  with counselors.                                                               
She  spoke of  budget cuts,  and said  the district  is fortunate                                                               
that it  will be  able to  pay for  three school  counselors next                                                               
year  with National  Petroleum Reserve  -  Alaska (NPR-A)  funds,                                                               
since  the budget  cannot support  them.   At this  juncture, she                                                               
said,  counselors  will not  be  added  to  schools that  do  not                                                               
already have them.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:23:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  asked if WorkKeys could  be interpreted to                                                               
provide  the eleventh-grade  students  with  the requirement  for                                                               
career and vocational counseling.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  COWAN answered  no.   She  said she  does  not think  career                                                               
counseling is comprised  of only giving a test  and providing the                                                               
test  scores,  but  views  it as  a  broader  program,  including                                                               
individual learning plans and the  interactions that the district                                                               
currently has with vocational partnerships.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON asked  Ms. Cowan  what she  interprets the                                                               
bill would require her district to do.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. COWAN said  the specifics will need to be  developed, but the                                                               
bill   requirements  will   provide   a   responsibility  to   be                                                               
incorporated into district policy.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:28:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BRUCE  JOHNSON,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Council  of  School                                                               
Administrators (ACSA),  said SB  170 is  an attempt  at providing                                                               
the important  counseling component in vocational  education.  He                                                               
agreed that  not having a  staff counselor can be  difficult, but                                                               
the system  will not  afford much  beyond an  itinerant counselor                                                               
supported by someone  on site.  He expressed  appreciation to the                                                               
department for being willing to  step up to assist districts that                                                               
may not  have any  program currently.   He said  career education                                                               
has  existed  in the  state  for  40 years  in  some  form.   The                                                               
proposed  legislation  acknowledges   that  some  districts  have                                                               
programs that can  be expanded upon, but does  not mandate others                                                               
to comply with a program that  would be burdensome.  He said that                                                               
the legislation  is a  step in the  direction that  districts are                                                               
already going.  He stated, "I  don't think there is a significant                                                               
burden here,  and if you  are going  to have a  comprehensive CTE                                                               
program, which we advocate for  in our joint position statements,                                                               
this has to be part of it.   We're willing to roll up our sleeves                                                               
and work with the department to make this happen."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:32:54 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said it appears that  an individual career                                                               
plan  is   the  intent,   and  vocational   education  counseling                                                               
beginning in  seventh grade  may be  appropriate.   He questioned                                                               
how the  districts might interpret  the requirements  and whether                                                               
specificity is necessary.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON  stated  his  belief  that  the  proposed  bill,  as                                                               
currently   written,    would   provide   for   a    variety   of                                                               
interpretations.     He  said   superintendents  meet   with  the                                                               
Department of  Education & Early  Development in July to  get the                                                               
department's interpretation  on any  legislation that  may affect                                                               
the school  districts and  to determine the  minimum steps  to be                                                               
taken.  He  indicated that under SB 170, the  minimum pertains to                                                               
the  requirement  for  counseling  for grades  seven,  nine,  and                                                               
eleven.   He  said  every  student needs  to  have an  individual                                                               
learning plan,  as well, but  a high school teacher  dealing with                                                               
180  children a  day faces  challenges in  getting that  job done                                                               
with everything else that must be  done.  He opined that to "keep                                                               
it  broad  and  focus  our   energy  on  career  development"  is                                                               
"appropriate for today."                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  said he  supports the  bill, but  wants to                                                               
ensure flexibility  toward the goal  of having  individual career                                                               
plans.   He expressed his hope  that Mr. Johnson would  come back                                                               
next year  and tell the legislature  what he has "decided  is the                                                               
interpretation of vocational education and training counseling."                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:38:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
BARBARA  HUFFTUCKNESS,  Director,  Governmental  and  Legislative                                                               
Affairs, Teamsters  Local 959, stated  support for SB 170  and SB
199,  and  said  Teamsters  Local   959  supports  this  type  of                                                               
legislation, as it is a  benefit when students arrive with skills                                                               
already learned.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:40:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUZANNE   ARMSTRONG,    President,   Associated    Builders   and                                                               
Contractors,  Inc.  -  Alaska Chapter  (ABC  -  Alaska  Chapter),                                                               
stated support for SB 170,  and referred to her earlier testimony                                                               
on SB 199, which pertained also to SB 170.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:41:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CYNDY   CURRAN,   Director,   Teaching  and   Learning   Support,                                                               
Department  of Education  & Early  Development,  referred to  the                                                               
committee question  regarding federal funding.   She said federal                                                               
funding  does not  supplant state  funding,  but can  be used  to                                                               
support the effort.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:45:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  CURRAN  in  response  to  Representative  Wilson,  said  the                                                               
department  has moved  to using  technical assistance,  including                                                               
using webinars  and doing  archiving.  She  said webinars  can be                                                               
sent out via digital video disc (DVD).                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:47:17 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KAWASAKI reviewed  the requirements under Sections                                                               
1 and  2 of the  bill, and brought  attention to the  zero fiscal                                                               
note.   He said he  would like to  see [SB  170 and SB  199] pass                                                               
together  as a  package,  but  said it  would  be appropriate  to                                                               
attach funding to the bill.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:48:21 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  expressed concern for the  process and how                                                               
an  effective  implementation might  be  brought  forth to  every                                                               
district.   He  observed that  a  variety of  methods appears  to                                                               
exist, but  integration of a set  plan is not a  requirement.  He                                                               
said  it  would  be  important  to  receive  a  report  from  the                                                               
department,  in the  next year,  to describe  how many  and which                                                               
districts are implementing individual  career plans to accomplish                                                               
this  goal.   He stated  his presumption  that "there  will be  a                                                               
meeting with  the department to  go over what  those expectations                                                               
are  for  satisfying  this   vocational  education  and  training                                                               
counseling."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:50:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK noted that questions remain to be answered.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK closed public testimony.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR DICK announced that SB 170 was held over.                                                                                 

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